Sat Nov 04 03:11:36 2000
As footnote to John Lees` Edinburgh - I gather from one of my motorcycling buddies that
the results for class A were questioned with regard to class A and that as a result it was
agreed that they should have in fact climbed Corkscrew and not Old Longhill, thus Chris
Brown was the only class A competitor to follow the correct route. At least John didn't
get excluded as he feared.
On this occassion it does seem a bit thoughtless for the organisers to change the
sections for the bikers but to leave reading the amendment till breakfast begs the
question what if that last sentence had said "breakfast halt is now changed to the
Saltbox"........ O.K. it's easy for me to sit under my tin lid with my wipers going
and say that but s**t happens and there will be occassions when last minute alterations
From: Sidney Hirst
Sent: 02 August 2000 12:15
Subject: Edinburgh Trial
Allow me to introduce myself. I am Sidney Hirst from New
Zealand. I will be spending 2 months in the UK from the 29th August to the 24th October
and will be competing in Sporting Trials most weekends however I would love to see a
Classic trial and this one would fit in with our itinerary. I am hoping to see cars such
as the Dellows and Trolls Competing as well as others.
Can you give me some idea where the trial is and where it goes
ie some place names. I have an excellent AA road atlas of Britain.
Regards Sidney & Valma Hirst
Editors Note:- No I haven't changed my name. The "Les" is
The Edinburgh's Les Bowler. I have e-mailed Sidney with some details and we may be seeing
him at "The Marquis" and on Bamford Clough.
From: "Andrew Rendle" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: web site
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:17:17 +0100
I am starting to put a web site together for Launceston & North Cornwall MC. Its up
and running on the web at rendle26.fsnet.co.uk But as you will see it needs a lot of
work some time in the very near future I will secure a domain name and have it hosted
properly. As I work for a web integration company I haven't any excuse really. I would
like to place a link from our site to the classical Gas site as well as a couple of others
if you have no objections to a link please let me know, and any suggestions for links
would be very much appreciated .Once the the season gets under way again and you venture
down here I will introduce myself and twist your arm for an article for the club magazine.
All the best
Editors Note - Good to hear of more trials related web sites. I have started a
section for these on the links page. I'm a bit concerened that Andy is a "computer
pro" as he will probably show my definately amature efforts up for what they are!
Sat Jun 17 07:42:30 2000
As you will see, I've finally made it through the maze and set myself up a
You may already have heard that Tony Driscoll died recently. I'm not sure
exactly how many current members of Falcon knew him, but I've put an obituary to him on
the Clubs Community page and Andrea will use it in next months magazine. Sad to loose him,
but he'd not been well for some time.
The Liege is coming on well, Zoe and I have done about 450 miles in it now
(living in Oxford means she is "on the way"), including the MCC's "Summer
Run" which was a pleasant day touring the Cotswolds. It has been painted over the
course of last week and this, and I am told looks gorgeous, so I'm off tomorrow to have a
It is certainly nice to drive and as soon as I get it home I'll come and pick
you up for a "trial" run.
I did get my Silver on the Lands End by the way. I was actually recorded as
"early" at Perranporth (where Mike Furze was marshalling), which I couldn't
understand because of the problems both Peter and Gari had experienced had meant that we
were "charging" to try not to go Late. When I asked for my time Gerry Woolcott
read it off his computer as 13:35, so I then asked for Gari's (travelling right behind
me). That was not on the computer because he "only transfers those who are in for an
award". When he looked up Gari's in Mike Furze's book it said 15:36, and mine was one
minute in front at 15:35 ! Obviosly profuse apologies followed, but equally obviously they
use the computer to do the "early / late / less than threequarters" checks for
them, and as we all know GIGO still rules ! So it does pay to ask if you think you were on
See you soon, best regards,
From: "Murray MacDonald" email@example.com
To: "Michael Leete" firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: UK Street Map
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:32:56 +0100
Re your map link on Classical Gas. I prefer this one: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
More info/functions - including grid refs
Editors Note - I agree with Murray this is a great site and I have
now put it on the Portal page in place of Multimap which is relegated to the Links
From: "Nicholas Woollett" email@example.com
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:34:21 +0100
Thanks for the write up on the March Hare and Land's End Trials. A slight
correction here. We cleaned Sugg Lne, Felon's Oak and Beggar's Roost at the end of which,
by the barn, the engine lost power and missed badly on power but would tick over OK. To
cut a very long story short, I persuaded myself the problem was in the distributor because
of the presence of some aluminium turnings when in fact it was the needle valve or carb
float sticking, a problem anticipated by the experts but which did not appear on the March
Hare apart maybe from the spot where the web site picture was taken. We were towed to a
garage in Ilfracombe who pronounced the car OK apart from some clutch slip in fourth gear.
I decided to proceed to the lunch halt so we could at least have a go at
Bluehills and cleaned 1 easily but cut out again on 2.
Conclusions: Take plenty of electrical spares Keep an open mind Restarts with 70
lb ballast are a vast improvement Do something about the carburation
Since the Land's Ends we attended the Dellow AGM the following weekend near
Hointon in MTT with no problem.
Later, discussions with Southern Carburettors insist that the anticipated
problem with a downdraught Webber carb on MCC events is actually due to poor air
filtration ands sure enough the car only has a horizontal pancake gauze filter !!
A further peculiar problem, but not directly trials related is the distressing
habit of oil spittting out the breather of this rebuilt (by an expert) Cortina Mk II box.
This only happens after prolonged motorway or main road (A303) use. I have checked the
level and replaced the existing oil with Syntrax universal on Castrol's technical support
suggestion. Any ideas.
Keep up the good work and we will be back
From: "Chris Chamberlain" firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:27:45 +0100
You're right, Google.com is a brilliant search engine!
I stumbled across your Classical Gas website after a conversation in my local Real Ale
off-licence where I noticed a couple of pictures of trials cars on the back wall.
Whilst not a trialler myself, I am very interested in off-road driving and motoring
oddities and noticed that one of the vehicles thrashing up a hill seemed to be a Reliant
Regal with no roof. The owner (of the off-licence & the vehicle) told me a
little about it, including the name of the car - Old Spot Piglet - which google.com had no
trouble in finding. (He had told me that it had had a mention on the internet.)
I am interested in the Leige Classic Sporting Car and wondered if you would know where I
could find a ready-built example for sale. I wouldn't necessarily want to use it for
trialling - I just think it's a brilliant looking car and haven't the time to build one
myself - so would be looking for a roadworthy one with MOT etc. I already own a BRA
CV3 (a 3 wheeled kitcar based on a 2CV) and it appeals to my muse to have one 3 wheeler
based on a 4 wheeled car and one 4 wheeler based on a 3 wheeled car! (I also have a
Discovery to satisfy my off-road urges!)
Congrats on a great website,
PS I attach photo of my BRA for your reference.
Thanks for your e-mail. You should talk to Peter Davies email@example.com about
the Leige. He is the guy who builds them. My buddy Simon Robson (seen in a White Skoda on
Classical Gas) has just bought one, ready built, and hopes to trial it on the Lands End.
I believe around 20 have been made and there probably aren't that many going second hand.
You could try joining the Classical Gas Web Community - link from Classical Gas. Leige
have a Web Site. Link on the Classical Gas Links Page.
btw - The builder of The Old Spot Piglet, Duncan Welch, has written about his creation in
the current Triple, the MCC Magazine.
Subject: Kyrle Report
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:04:16 +0100
I found it great to read your enthusiastic report of the Kyrle - and
almost un-nerving to see your first pictures (on Tuesday morning) of the 6,7,8 deviation
on Snompers where I'd stood with Adrian Marfell on Saturday afternoon. Especially to
see the very tree we cut down and lifted clear (a near-hernia experience!) a fortnight
Perhaps an organiser may offer a few corrections before the report goes much
further, as your words and pictures are worth it.
Home page headline: as your picture shows, it was Adrian, not Julian
Dommett, who pipped Pete Fear to the Trophy. He did this while dropping over an hour
(unnecessarily?) on the road - and thus suffered much worse ruts! The section after
Snompers is TOMLIN Splash - nothing to do with Jon and Pat in Stratford...The picture on
Snompers should be captioned Stuart Harrold and IAN HALE getting a good mark.
There was no restart for 3,4,5 on Cuddleigh Bank, just for Class 8 and bikes on
the steep bank.The section after Cuddleigh was WALLSPRINGS - a long run up a steady mud
track which has, however, an old stone bottom. Everyone said Thank Heaven! At Lane
End, the marshal's writing has now confirmed that Murray Mac did indeed score 8 and so
he's second in Class 4 and gets full marks for honesty. We're sorry that both, separate,
Scorers read the sheet wrongly. The Ross Club is saving up for a lorryload of gravel to
dump on Deep Dean. In 2001 you'll hear mutters about chipped screens... If we can get
extract the lorry and run the section!
Thanks for taking all these on board. Your Report glows with enthusiasm
for the sport. Good on you!
Subject: Kyrle Report
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:54:01 +0100
Another good report but one small point to put the record straight on
Cuddleigh bank classes 1 to 7 all went up the track to the left the restart was for 6 and
7 only. Only class 8 attempted the original hill. We did this to allow us to run the 2
sections together so as to clear the backlog that had built up.
Editors Note :- Many thanks to Pete and Neil for the corrections. I
always appreciate feed-back, especially when I get my facts wrong! I also spotted another
one myself, I had called Judy Phillips "Julie"!
From Ken Green firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: 28/02/00 22:49
RE: MCC Events that you are welcom to enter
You are invited to both these events MCC members will get the entry forms in the
What to do if the Sun Shines
After the Exeter Historic we decided that it would be a good idea to expand the
summer activities of the MCC from one Road Run to two and invite some selected clubs to
the events. Both are all tarmac and non damaging.
The events are suitable for any road legal vehicle, in the past everything from
the family shopping car to pre WW1 belt driven Motorcycles have entered, It always amazes
me what vehicles people have hidden in their Garages.
The first event is The Summer Run, this has been a great success and the format
will be the same as previous years, that is a leisurely drive round the Cotswolds
with some pre-war tarmac trials hills for you to storm up.
This year the date is 4th July, starting and finishing at Mickleton in the
Cotswolds - as in past years, I cant tell you where we will be going I dont
know myself yet! Enter and turn up on the day and find out! The route will be about
80 miles of motoring down byways, a cream tea will be available at the finish
please pre-book this with your entry.
The new event is The Mid-Summer Run for the people who live in the "Frozen
North" and will cover the Derbyshire and Cheshire areas.
It will start at Ashbourne and finish at a Private Museum in Cheshire.
The route will be approx. 80 miles long and there will be a "Something to
do on the route" element for the car crew to keep them awake.
There are refreshments close to the finish at a café.
The date is the 23rd July entry forms for both events will be sent in the usual
MCC mailings. The Summer Run with Triple and The Mid-Summer Run with the AGM posting
If you are not a MCC member please send let me know if you want to do the event
and I will Email you a set.
So clear the date(s) in your Diary and we hope to see you on the events in your
Pride and Joy, so get polishing now!
From John Rhodes email@example.com
26 January 2000
Here in the classic trial starved wilds of deepest, darkest Yorkshire we do not
often get a chance for real sporting action. I have the opportunity to visit my recently
removed daughter in Exeter on condition that I look after her screaming brats for an
evening as well as take in a local trial. I am due to go for the weekend of 20th Feb,
which I believe is the Holworthy. Where is it, who is on email that I can contact and is
it worth a six hundred mile round trip, the screaming brats don't count.
Editors Comment:- Can anyone give John any advice on this one?
From James Alexander James.Alexander@certa.com
30 December 1999
JABS gets two mentions in two months !!!! I cant believe it. At long last a
motor club covering the often ignored and noble art of sporting trials, magic, thanks very
much again. Did you get my last mail ??
In response to one comment regarding the JABS being much like a small truck may
I defend the ethos that surrounds the JABS experience.
She is built to make the most of the cast iron block, that is to add stability
on arduous climbs and steep cambers. Indeed the great John Boswell has often commented on
the added grip afforded on full lock as a result of the iron engine. Wet weight 280 kilos,
70 horse power, (250 hp/tonne)
True, she is no mountain goat admittedly but in terms of fulfilling the
following criteria she is the best car in the world. To drip oil on my garage
floor/drive/trailer/face (Delete as appropriate) To make a lot of noise going on the
trailer at 10 pm or 6 am (delete as appropriate) To stimulate conversation whenever she
see's the light of day. " I remember seeing these on television" to quote an oft
said line. To remind me of the halcyon days of my childhood when all hills were climable
Anyway must get on now, I have 5 tonnes of coal to collect from Northampton,
better get the JABS out !!!!
With best wishes and in good humour,
Please pass on my best wishes to all the members for a peaceful and prosperous
I am yours etc.
Many thanks for your e-mails. Sorry I didn't reply to the first one. I have
been really sick now for nearly a month. However, I am now feeling a bit better and coming
back to the world of the living! Appreciate your mails - which I will add to the
"letters" page so others may share!
btw - The stuff on the site is what I am interested in - Beetles - Classic
Trials and anything to do with Falcon Motor Club + What other people contribute. I would
really like to expand it to include more on PCT's, Sporting Trials and Bikes - but I need
PS - Have you tried to join the community?
From Robert Porter RP4252@aol.com
21 December 1999
First I enjoy reading Classical Gas its great keep it up. I noticed that you
were looking for a Trials Marlin there is one for sale in the Marlin OC mag. I have a swb
Roadster not yet prepared hence the call.
Do you of anyone who can fit Ford diffs into Leyland axles, the vans are very
I have attached an article written for the MOC mag about using may Marlin in the
Liege Targa event earlier this year. It was printed in the current mag , if you would like
to use it or part for CG feel free, I know its wasn`t a trial but the Marlin connection
might be of interest. PS I used to use Beetles in Classic trials a while back and the
bug`s biting again.
Yours in sport
From Nick Woolett firstname.lastname@example.org
16 November 1999
Thanks for an excellent web site which I find most interesting. Keep up the good
work. I have recently purchased a Mk 1 Dellow, MTT 667 which I hope to use in MCC and a
few ACTC events next year. Have you progressed with the Dellow site because there was a
reference to it somewhere on your site when I looked previously.
You may remember my not very successful efforts on the 1992 Exeter and Land's
End in a Talbot Solara !! We finished both events but had a problem with the tight corners
at the start of Bluehills.
The history of various hills is particularly interesting. Do you have any
information about similar events held in the past in our part of the world (Kent, Surrey
Editors Comment:- No progress on the Dellow piece as I really havn't
got stuck into the research yet.
Personally the only event I know about down your way is the Invicta which
was last held about four years ago. I competed on it twice and actually won my class on
one event. The only time I have won anything on a Classic apart from my MCC medals.
Can anyone help Nick?
From James Alexander James.Alexander@certa.com
22 December 1999
I read with great memories of my day at the Gill Morrell Memorial Trial you
article refering to my old bean tin and the great Boswell. Splendid journalism - many
thanks. I never met Gill but remember the sun shone all day and everyone had a smile on
them that day.
On the subject of trials pictures I know that one of the Fack twins had his car
in Autocar ?? some 3 months ago, that may be a good place to look either on the Autocar
webpage or by request of back issue. ???
Bit busy right now but will type later.
From Mike Furse by Snail Mail
Sent with his Edinburgh report sometime at the end of October
....... On another topic, I enjoyed The Jenkins Chapel debate in Classical Gas
(the hard copy one in the Falcon magazine). I think I've found you another one. Again it
involves Roger Thomas' MG Trials Cars book which, incidently, I enjoy re-reading
regularly. On page 48 there is a large picture of Macdermid on New Mill in 1937. From the
competition number, it is obviously not an MCC event. On page 53 there is a picture of
Toulmin at New Mill on the 1938 Lands End. C.A.N. May states that New Mill was a new hill
on the 1938 Lands End (page 141, Wheelspin). To me, these pictures are not taken on the
same hill, unless the start and watersplash are further down the hill to the left of the p
48 picture. May suggests that it would not have been a difficult hill on an MCC event. Did
the MCC route turn left at the cottage and up the "escape" route, whereas on
this small event the cars had to turn right up the edge of the field? Judging by the lack
of wheeltracks, the failed car (?) at the bottom and the wheelspin of the Musketeer, this
would appear to have been difficult. Tuck's book lists only one trials section called New
Mill, with no location details, so that's no help. I would guess that the 1938 Lands End
picture is captioned correctly, but where is the other one if the foregoing surmises are
not true? And which event was this? The cottage is of a style and construction common in
the Chilterns (brick and flint), but Thomas does not list a New Mill in MGCC Chiltern
Want another? What happened in 1936 to make Maidensgrove and Crowell so
difficult on the MG Chilterns Trial? (Thomas - p78).
Does Roger Thomas know we're pulling his book to pieces!!
Editors Comment: There is lots more on this topic over at the Classical
Gas Web Community
From Mike Warnes Mike.Warnes@btinternet.com
21st October 1999
Have a look at the route tab on this page - it makes our local route cards a bit
Hope all is going well with your trialing - my Husky goes mutch better with the
2.0 Sierra injection motor (complete car for 70 pounds!). Last weeks Exmoor trial resulted
in two punctures ans a very noisy propshaft U/J - it had no needles in two journels when
we finally got home.
Mike Warnes, Exmouth
From Kevin Barnes email@example.com
21st October 1999
I've been having another look round the sight, I tried logging on to your web
community but it dosnt seem to have worked.
I couldnt find the message/article that was around a few weeks ago, regarding
trials hills names, I would like to see this again, one that wasnt mentioned was "Tin
Pan Alley" MG Car Club Abingdon Trial. I know it had another name but have mislaid it
maybe someone else could help. We tried searching for this section a year ago but believe
a road to be in its place. Evidently it was a mud bath and there is a picture of the
section in Wheelspin.
Editors Comment: The Trials Hill name piece is by Andrew Brown and is
on the Web Community at http://communities.msn.co.uk/ClassicalGasForTrialsenthusiasts
There was a problem last week as Microsoft took the Communities down for a few days
while they did some upgrades. I checked it this morning and it's working fine so let me
know if you have any problems.
From: Sue Jamieson (Tuckers daughter) firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: Classical Gas - The Tucker-Peakes.
Date: 29 September 1999 10:26 pm
The wonders of modern science, I wonder what Dad would have thought of seeing
and reading about himself on the net!. I have been visiting your site occasionally for a
while, but felt compelled to write and acknowledge and say thank you for the wonderful
article on the family. Perhaps I could take the opportunity to give you an update and also
add some coincidental links.
Firstly, Yes Jeff and I are now living in Launceston, which was not planned but
a true coincidence, and am proud to carry on the connection with the Lands End Trial, but
we are itching to return to competing in it when other pressures allow, and are currently
looking at, dare I say it a Marlin?. My other main involvement with motorsport is
that I am currently Chairman of the British Women Racing Drivers Club, the only
organisation looking after the interest of Women in Motorsport, details on us can be found
on www.bwrdc.co.uk - for many years our membership,
which is by invitation and for holders of National A licences, has been around the 70 odd
mark, but following an joint initiative with the MSA approx. 3 yrs ago, and applying for
funds from their development fund, to finance a promotion to make the public more aware
that women can compete in motorsport, we have totalled around 130 for a couple of years
I noticed the picture of the Quiz team in 1972, whether this was the year or
not, but I do recall many battles with a team from Camel Vale Motor Club, (not far from me
now) and a certain member of their team, who never seemed to get it wrong, Peter Tuthill,
well interestingly enough I have just teamed up with him to embark on the publishing of a
Book about women in Motorsport, , he is great historian, and not long after we moved hear,
(5 yrs ago), he contacted me as he was about the publish a book on Davidstow,, which I am
sure you must have seen, which also features quite a bit about the time when Dad raced
On another of your pages, mention is made of A F Rivers Fletcher, coincidentally
too, the BWRDC have just appointed a new Treasurer, namely, Yvonne Rivers-Fletcher, wife
of Jeremy, one of 'Rivers' s sons, and they HillClimb a very interesting Homebuilt Triumph
Special - a real classical gas contender, and can just about be seen on the bwrdc webpage
under the Coys Festival report. ( The light blue one in the foreground).
I think that's all for now, I am about to start on the SSR's for the Lands End
Trial!. A wonderful site and long may it continue.
From Ron Warren by Royal Mail
Your article on the Tucker-Peakes is very good. When HTP left Cornwall for
Welwyn, he had digs in Welwyn Garden City and it was there he met Bety.
When I moved to Stevenage late 1935, Shelford and Crowe was a well established
business run by Jack Shelford and Bertie Crowe and both were still active in the business
when they took the TP's into partnership.
Looking at Classic Car Weekly I see Rivers Fletcher has died. I remember Rivers
and his Bugattiat the first Falcon Speed Trials at Tewin.
Editors Comment - I was delighted to receive this letter from Ron who
I know to my cost does not suffer fools gladly. Hopefully I can get some of his many
experiences down on paper as the basis for future articles.
12 September 1999
From: Peter Davis mailto:email@example.com
Really enjoy your site, thank you for including the Liege Classic Sporting Car
in your links. I would be grateful if you would add a link to the Liege-Targa-Liege 1999
Endurance Trail site which may be of interest to class class 7 owners. There are 57 hand
built cars entered in this years trial. The route takes cars from Liege in Belgium to the
Targa Florio in Sicily and back again. No competition licence is required. The trial
starts on the 25th September and finishes on 7th October 1999.
123 competitors booked into 14 hotels through France and Italy. The Guild of
Motor Endurance site is: http:www.ashford-perf.com/targa
3 of the cars entered require co-drivers, if you know anybody who may be interested?
Regards Peter Davis.
31 August 1999
From John Lees firstname.lastname@example.org
Very interesting to read your 'classical gas', I am actually a motorcyclist when it comes
to competing (back page of 'Triple' issue 70-that's me!).I thought I might enclose a
couple of photos of an MCC 3-wheeler being built in deepest Cornwall, it should appear in
the Exeter 2000 for its first outing . The owner will be competing in the 'Edinburgh' on
his Tiger Cub in the meantime.What is it ,who is building it ? All will be revealed in due
John Lees, Penzance.
Click on the thumbnails to see the full pictures.
Editors Comment:- Many thanks for the pics John, looks
like an awesome machine. Hopefully you will be able to give us updates on the progress.
MORE ON JENKINS
24 July 1999
From: Kevin Barnes email@example.com
To: Michael Leete <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Jenkins Chapel becomes Wrynose Pass?
Date: 23 July 1999 19:53
Just seen the Jenkins Chapel debate and thought I would try and help.
I to have been to the hill before we found out that the MCC still use the hill under a
different name. My impression was that it wasnt the so called "Terror" that it
once was but was definetly the right hill.
This image (jenk1.jpg) shows Roddy Baker in a 1.5 litre Le Mans Singer in the Derbyshire
Sporting Trial 1934 it a different view of the hill at the first corner that I see you
have some modern pictures off.
That stone wall wasnt there if I recall on my visit and the angle of the track looks to
have changed providing an easier asscent.
One of the thing that did confuse me with my visit was funnily enough the MG Picture of
Lewis Welch that I had with me. Were on the hill was this taken. It looks to flat unless
taken at the top somewhere. I have a possible solution to this. I go with the
miscaptioning idea of the picture. I think that (99% sure) the picture may actually be of
Wrynose Pass on the London-Edinburgh. I enclose another picture of my grandfather
J.D.Barnes on this section.
(wrynose.jpg) Its not as good quality as the MG picture but after studying it at high zoom
levels I belive that some of the people and features in the background are the same as in
the MG picture. I have higlighted them on the MG image highlighted.(mg.jpg). I will have a
look at the competition numbers for that trial to see if I am right when I get time.
The caption of the original picture says "J.D.Barnes entering the second loop of the
tricky Wrynose Pass Climb in the London-Edinburgh". I think the MG by the way is on
the first corner just before this picture was taken.
Hope this sheds some light/debate on the picture.
(p.s I also have some general comments on Jenkins Chapel if you want me to dig them out
e.g features, gradient, and description from pre-war files)
Singer Car Web http://www.barnes74.freeserve.co.uk/singer/index.htm
Editors Comment:- Thanks Kevin (whose grandfather was the well known
driver F. S. Barnes). I think we are getting closer and closer to solving this mystery. I
havn't posted Kevins pictures yet. I will do that soon in conjunction with a new page
drawing all the Jenkins stuff together.
Can anyone else chip in? btw - If you han't seen Kevin's site you should
drop by http://www.barnes74.freeserve.co.uk/singer/index.htm
There is some good stuff on Classic Trials.
LANDS END ON THE TELLY
From Stuart Cairney Stuartc@btinternet.com
Don't know if you get Meridian ITV channel where you are but tonight at 10.30 there was a
prog called The Road Show which included about 3minutes of this year's Land's End. I just
managed to get the video on in time to capture shots of Hazel's climb of Blue Hills 2
along with 'Super Dud' and Primrose with yours truly screeching to a halt on the Penzance
test. If you didn't catch it I'll lend you the original tape.
See you soon
Editors Comment:- Guess what. Despite Mike Hayward e-mailing me over
the week-end, and me intending to put a trailer on the site I missed it as I was watching
my favourite American cop show on Channel 4!
26 June 1999
From Pat Toulmin email@example.com
Further to the debate about Jenkins Chapel, the photo of Lewis Welch is not on Jenkins
Chapel. Indeed it is not even of the 1935 Sporting Trial - in Donald Cowbourne's excellent
and well researched trials book, details found on
www.ukmotorsport.com/actc/history/bibliography.html, Lewis Welch was number 89 on the
Sporting Trial (see page 463). In the photo you publish he was number 75 and this is the
number he ran on the 1935 Edinburgh Trial, 7th and 8th June. This had 4 sections only -
Park Rash, Summer Lodge, Wrynose and Hard Knott. The latter two are in the Lake District
and it seems likely that the photo is on one of these.(See pages 190, 256 and 283)
I attach two photos that Maurice Toulmin stated are Jenkins Chapel. Both photos are by W J
Brunell. The one of JB 7521 we took with us on the walk with Tony and Derek and we were
able to confirm that it is Jenkins, the buillding is still there and the approach road was
very characteristic and exactly the correct shape. This photo was used as the basis of the
drawing on the cover of Roger Thomas's excellent book on pre war MG Trials Cars, published
in 1995. We have other photos of Maurice on Jenkins Chapel.
It should be fairly easy to check the Morgan one, the fields in the background are a
PS The section which we use today on the MCC Edinburgh Trial known as Calton was called
Taddington Moor in the 1930s.
Editors Comment - Super to get this e-mail from Pat (Editor of Re-Start, Author
of the ACTC web sire and co-organiser of the Cle Hills). I plan to publish the pictures
she enclosed as soon as I can grab a few minutes from the day job.
28 June 99
KTM 191 on your thumbnail
The above is a Dellow,Chassis No. 3311151, Engine No.C631640. Current owner R.Fransen The
chap in the picture is Ron Dellingpole founder of the car , his partner was Ron Lowe hence
the name Dellow. A healthy Dellow register exists,for all you need to know contact Jim
Harvey. My own car is a Dellow Mark 1, 1950 I look forward to your summer article
Editors Comment:- Now guys and gals, John's not 100% right is he. Any
22nd June 1999
From Andrew Brown andrew.brown@SheppardRobson.com
Michael - Jenkins Chapel
Having started this correspondence I thought I'd better do a bit of serious
research. So here goes ...
I don't where you got the original photograph from, but it is on Page 34 of
Roger Thomas' excellent 'M.G. Trials Cars' book where it is captioned as"Lewis Welch
in Athos on the 1935 M.C.C. One Day Sporting Trial in Derbyshire at the upper part of
Jenkins Chapel". The registration is clearly shown as JB 4606 and the competition
number as 57.
JB 4606 was one of the three MG NEs (1287cc) which ran in the 1934 TT, were
converted to trials cars for a short period in 1935 when they ran as 'The Three
Musketeers' team, and were then re-converted to race cars for the 1935 TT. According to
Roger Thomas they entered only four trials (Lands End, Edinburgh, Abingdon, and Rushmere)
and the Welsh Rally. Donald Cowbourne's book lists Welch in a 1287cc MG Magnette in both
the Lands End (No.399) and the Edinburgh (No.57), and in a 1408cc Magnette in the MCC
Sporting (No.89). So, unless there is some amazing coincidence, I think it's a pretty fair
assumption that the picture was taken on the 1935 Edinburgh. But where is it?
Cowbourne lists only four Observed Hills for the 1935 Edinburgh - Park Rash and
Summer Lodge in the Yorkshire Dales, Wrynose Pass and Hard Knott Pass in the Lake
District. I'm not familiar with any of these hills but have seen enough photographs of
Park Rash and Summer Lodge to be pretty sure that it's neither of them unless the
photographer stood at a particularly unusual location. There's a picture on Page 256 of
the Cowbourne book of an AC in the 1935 Edinburgh at a location that looks remarkably like
the Welch MG picture. So, does anyone recognise either of these pictures as somewhere on
Wrynose or Hard Knott Passes?
Pat Toulmin has a lengthy account of the 1935 Edinburgh on the ACTC Web Site but
it doesn't say anything really useful like "Lots of entrants failed in front of the
photographer on ........"! However, from the Light Car account of the weather, and
the general dullness of the two photographs, it would seem to support my view that's it
one of the two Lake District hills. My money's on Wrynose Pass, but I'm not really a
Any more ideas?
Editors Comment:- I think Andrew is getting near the truth now. He, I
and a lot of others would really like to hear from anyone who can add anything to this
fascinating saga. Can those of you from "trials families" repair to the loft and
look through Granddad's photo album please!
13th June 1999
From Tony Branson firstname.lastname@example.org
(of DAF and now Marlin fame, one of our really keen triallers who comes all the way down
from Hexham to compete)
Congratulations on an excellent website.
Reference Andrew Brown's letter about Jenkins Chapel/Corkscrew, I share his
doubts that the old picture of the MG is really this hill. I too have spent some time with
Jonathan Toulmin poring over old trials photos trying to recognise which section they are.
It's amazing how much the landscape changes over the years, trees move and cottages sprout
or lose chimneys.
After the 1993 Edinburgh Jonathan, Pat, Derek and I walked the section and I
bemoaned the fact that class 3 didn't get a shot at it. I have since gone up it twice in
the Marlin and my propshaft tunnel has the scars to prove it. I attach 4 photos I took
that day. The first shows the section from across the valley, The second the infamous
first corner with Derek having a little trouble on the restart and the other two the rocky
steps in the upper reaches. Hope they are of interest.
Editors Comment:- Very interesting E-Mail from Tony. I have published
his pictures on the Jenkins page. Any other ideas on the authenticity of the original
picture? If it's not Jenkins where is it?
9 June 1999
From Simon Woodall
Re: A Fishy Tale
I don't read Classical Gas as often as I might, it galls me to
watch the 'phone bill ticking up! I therefore missed the above when it came out
originally. I would therefore like to add two points to the storey to correct a couple of
1, I am not Margaret's son, she is my Aunt. I am Victors son. This
is an error Tucker made when compiling the details for the MCC book and seems to have
passed into history.
2. Although Margaret was the first woman to win a Triple, it is
only fair to reveal the whole truth behind this. Margaret and Maralyn both achieved their
goals on the same trial but as Margaret had an earlier number she finished first and
therefore it was she that took the honours of being the first woman to win a Triple.
3. Woolford Special Mk2 with which Margaret won her Triple. A
typical special - A7 frame plus Ford 10 engine, but with the engine so far back in the
frame that the prop shaft was only six inches long. It was the overwhelming success of
this vehicle that caused the RAC to introduce the spark plug to front axle measurement and
thus was the National Trials Formula born!.
Editors Comment:- Great to get this E-Mail from Simon. I
freely confess my accuracy isn't always up to my enthusiasm to get into print, just like a
real jouurnalis! Joking apart I really appreciate this sort of help. I'm under a bit of
pressure from the day job at the moment but I'll update "A Fishy Tale" as soon
as I can. Many thanks Simon.
5 June 99
From, Duncan, email@example.com,
On the site that you posted about the "fishy tail story" the date says
July 97, on titles!!!!
Just thought that you might wish to know, as it may be a mistake!
Editors Comment - July 97 is in fact correct under the
perverted Classical Gas system. The site is basically an Internet version of the
"real" Classical Gas which is a supplement I do for the Falcon Motor Club
magazine. The dates are in fact the dates of that magazine, hence you will find July in
June! "A Fishy Tail" was published in the July 97 Falcon magazine. This was also
published on the first or second Internet version. After about six months I started to
take stuff off the site (or so I thought) as it was so difficult to work with CompuServe's
Home Page Wizard as the size grew. When I moved to Front Page I found that most of the
stuff was still there and I had only killed the links! As this is the
"graveyard" period with no trials to write about I decided to re-instate the
link as most of you have only come on board relatively recently and probably missed the
Keep those E-Mails coming. I appreciate hearing from you.
From Andrew Brown (ACTC Rights of Way Officer) andrew.brown@SheppardRobson.com
Re: Your page on Jenkins Chapel.Although I'm familiar with the picture that you show of
the MG (and I too have seen it categorically captioned as being taken on Jenkins Chapel),
I've never been entirely sure that this is correct. I've never been to the hill except
when competing, and one never has time to look at the view from that point(!), but my
recollection of waiting at the start line is that the backdrop (now of trees) is much
lower and further away than shown in the MG picture. Any comments?
Jonathan Toulmin and I have a whole 'catalogue' of mis-captioned or un-captioned
photographs in various books but I haven't tackled him on this one - I'm still on a
'mission' to track down the various 'Kinetons' and 'Guitings' used in 1930s before
venturing further afield.
Editors Comment - I've always been worried about these pictures being
Jenkins too. The one of Dudley definitely is as it was given to me by the photographer
(Mike Furse) but I'm relying on the captions on the other pictures I scanned. Can anyone
help or comment? One of the problems I have on Classical Gas is that with "the day
job", Trials car preparation, home and family I don't have any time left for
research! I concentrate on (hopefully) writing stuff that's fun to read and updating the
site pretty often so people come back and read it regularly.
If any readers can provide any information on old trials hills both Andrew
and I would love to hear from you.
27th May 1999
From Simon Clemow , firstname.lastname@example.org
I'd just like to say that your site is excellent entertainment and always has well written
interesting reports on the trials. As a recent recruit to the world of classic trials I
always enjoy reading the articles.
One suggestion for a useful addition to the site would be a calendar of classic trials. As
a beginner it would be very useful to be able to tell which trials are coming up and a
contact number for entries, as I don't always know there on until they've appeared on your
Editors Comment - Thanks for this Simon. I will certainly add a
calendar and will try to do this in the next day or so.
18th May 1999
From: Andrew Brown andrew.brown@SheppardRobson.com
(Andrew is the ACTC Rights of Way Officer)
I don't think I've ever e-mailed you to let you know how much I've enjoyed your site.
Pat's ACTC site (which I've had a good look at on disc) will be excellent but it is very
much an 'official' site and I think she wants it to stay that way. Yours is more personal
although far too Falcon-centred for those who are not members!! I do find that it
'struggles' sometimes - presumably a limitation of using free Compuserve space - and I'm
accessing via an ISDN line.
I'm hoping that Pat will add a Rights of Way page with links to all the various ROW sites
that I've found, but that may have to wait for Update 2 - and I'm far too busy on other
ACTC stuff to set up one of my own.
Keep up the good work.
Editors Comments - Nice to get this E-Mail from Andrew. It makes it
all worthwhile when you hear people are actually looking at your stuff. Sure Classical Gas
is Falcon centred. It's a bit like when I wrote to Tom Trelfall complaining that he didn't
publish many pictures of Beetles in Triple. He wrote back and said that's because he
thought they were boring!
I confess that Classical Gas is totally self indulgent. It's mine and I
write about who I like, what I like and when I fancy doing it. The site is not a
mouthpiece of Falcon Motor Club, yes I am a member but I am not an official or anything
like that. In CG I wallow in my own views and opinions but I am a Falcon fan and the site
majors on it's members and their activities. I also indulge in featuring other people and
cars that I admire. The great thing for me is that I am not forced to tow a "party
line". I can be a bit controversial and sail close to the wind sometimes. As for
those who read the column, you must admit it's excellent value for money. You get exactly
what you pay for!
Interesting to hear the site struggles to load sometimes. I don't notice
that myself as I use an ordinary modem. I have E-Mailed Andrew and asked him to send me
his ROW links. I would welcome links from anyone who finds some good ones.
Anyway, It was great to hear from Andrew. Without people like him putting in
the work they do we wouldn't have a sport.
14th May 1999 - Received an interesting E-Mail from Pat Toulmin. There is an
official ACTC web site on it's way. Watch this space as Pat is a professional so you can
expect something a bit classier than this sites amateur attempts.
From: "John Duncan Stephens", INTERNET:Eaysjds@nottingham.ac.uk
Date: 01/05/99, 15:54 PM
Re: Re : Website
Your website is fantastic. I keep looking at it to find out the current trials results and
stories. Just some more information for you to add in if you want.
Dad and I (PCT'ers) watched Cutcliffe and Hoskin on the Lands End. Cutcliffe was
really hard, but seemed to get easier for the last ten cars. The answer to climbing it
appeared to be flat off the start and then feather the throttle through the gate and then
once straight floor it again! However David Hazeldeen in his Golf went through it
absolutely flat out!!! Commitment or what.
We then went straight to Hoskin. The class two cars seem to come round the
corner flat out and then just keep going. The restart was pretty evil, though some did get
off. A 1835cc beetle trickled off the line, finishing Graham Brasier's chances of a
triple! A fair few Marlin's and class 8 cars got up, with a lot of commitment generally.
The pinto engined Imp got off late too. Apparently it has a VW floorpan, transmission,
2000cc Pinto engine, Imp body and 14'' wheel, and tremendous traction. A fantastic
Ken Payne was driving the Golf that Nick Pollitt drives on PCT's, but with
bigger wheels. The amplifier broke after Hoskin apparently.I thought that Nick Pollitt won
the Falcon PCT on the 28 - 02 - 99, and not Andy Clarke, as the website suggests.
Thanks again for the hard work you put into the reports, they are really